Got a few questions before I spend $3100 . . .

Is this set-up safe to run on a daily driver? A friend and I will be doing the install. I have experience working on my Tib, and he has over 6 years mechanic experience, and a ton of experience building fully built honda motors . . . he put my headers on in under 3 hours. I will of course be dyno tuning this as soon as it goes on. Also, I'm auto, so do you think 250whp is a reasonable expectation from this set-up with a good tune?

NGM Modified Alpine Aqua Cooled Charger w/ 2.75" upper pulley (sans CC relocation kit)
NGM 7" lower crank pulley and belt
NGM Mafterburner
460cc fuel injectors
190LPH Plug and play fuel pump
3 pod a pillar
boost guage
NGM Icebox

The alpine blower doesn't have the stock heat exchanger that comes w/ it from Alpine, so I'd be using the icebox instead . . . is that safe?

I'm lookin for around 240-250whp safely since my Tib is a daily driver.

Also, do I need 460cc injectors, or could I run 290 or 310cc injectors and save a bit of money?

Would the MAFextender be necessary, or just an added bonus?

Thanks for the help!

Jared

Bastard I think you took the icebox I was trying to get lol

that means I'll enjoy it just that much more! haha, j/k

In that case, no that setup will blow your motor the instant its put on and you turn the keys. It may also can some slashing of tires and dents on body by a anonymous person lol.

It will only work if and only if you sell me the ice box.

You will make a lot more than 240-250whp with that 7" pulley. You may want to look into a ngm alcohol injection kit. Otherwise do not use the 7" pulley, sell it to me :)

include the MAFextender in there as well

mafextender doesnt prevent detonation though. Thats why photo recommends it. I would look into a safeguard also

if I drop the lower 7" pulley, or switch to the 6.5" would I need the JS safeguard or alcy injection? Detonation would suck, but if I keep the boost low enough, I would think it wouldn't happen.

I just wanna get to around 250whp for the time being.

if I drop the lower 7" pulley, or switch to the 6.5" would I need the JS safeguard or alcy injection? Detonation would suck, but if I keep the boost low enough, I would think it wouldn't happen.

I just wanna get to around 250whp for the time being.


hell yeah detonation sucks, i should know detonation> :box: < my motor

aw well, BRING ON THE BOOST! :yay:

if I drop the lower 7" pulley, or switch to the 6.5" would I need the JS safeguard or alcy injection? Detonation would suck, but if I keep the boost low enough, I would think it wouldn't happen.

I just wanna get to around 250whp for the time being.


i run the 6.5" lower ad 2.75" upper with no alcohol and it seems to be just fine. TC can give you the best info on what to do though.

its not just detonation the safeguard protects. What happens if you get bad gas or a o2 sensors goes out? Btw you should get 250whp with just a 2.75 upper

hmm i thought it was either 12sectib or tibby03 but one of them just has the built motor no SG or alky and runs on pump with no detonation, lowering the compression helps out greatly

yeah, I don't plan on upgrading my pistons till farther on down the road . . . so lowering the compression is out for me . . . I'm thinkin I might just get the 6.5" pulley, or do a tune with just the upper 2.75 and see what my numbers are.

it would be better to prepare your block for boost, it will be worth it in the long run, just make sure you run either some octane booster or safegurad or alky with the boost to avoid detonation

hmm i thought it was either 12sectib or tibby03 but one of them just has the built motor no SG or alky and runs on pump with no detonation, lowering the compression helps out greatly

Not sure, but why spend all that money on a built block and not a little more a safeguard? Idk why alot of people get the assassin and never even consider a safeguard, alky, or pistons also. I know its not needed, but its just safer

Not sure, but why spend all that money on a built block and not a little more a safeguard? Idk why alot of people get the assassin and never even consider a safeguard, alky, or pistons also. I know its not needed, but its just safer

HEY, Aaron!!! :25: You hurt me when you mock my ignorance... HAHA

bwahahaha hey so did you get those headers I wanted?

bwahahaha hey so did you get those headers I wanted?

If you're talkin about the ones from shermanturbo, then...Yes sir, muahahaha..

Not sure, but why spend all that money on a built block and not a little more a safeguard? Idk why alot of people get the assassin and never even consider a safeguard, alky, or pistons also. I know its not needed, but its just safer

I dont know, but if it works for him... I would rather be safer which is why i bought what i did, plus the alky should add just a little bit

I dont know, but if it works for him... I would rather be safer which is why i bought what i did, plus the alky should add just a little bit

yeah but you didnt get the safeguard either lol

If you're talkin about the ones from shermanturbo, then...Yes sir, muahahaha..

bastard. O well at least one of us got it

yeah but you didnt get the safeguard either lol

the alcohol works just fine I dont need the safe guard

Dave...I am getting tired of trying to explain this to you man. The alky doesn't stop detonation or detect it....It raises you detonation threshold through boosting octane and some cooling properties. What that means is you can use it to allow you to up boost and make more power.

Only the safeguard detects and stops detonation. It does so by detecting knock and in response pulling timing.

Now that said if you use the alky correctly and arn't upping the boost at all then yes the chances of you detonating are drastically decreased from what they were. But the two aren't really comparable. You really should have both.
The Safegaurd is a really a must for F/I, it could save the motor. Where as if setup wrong or if it runs out the alky won't do shit. If you start knocking. Plus the SG flashes lights at you when you are detonating that way you know to back off and go retune or whatever.

I will eventually get the safeguard, but don't have the funds at the moment, I figure if I run safely at around 250whp around 5-6 lbs of boost with a good tune, I should be ok for a couple months, maybe longer, until I buy the safeguard . . .

You should get the at least one of them...just to make sure you don't get detonation....