Hello,

Well, Im sure a lot of you know what had happened to David's build up by another shop that had done all the work as the engine came apart at 100 miles. Anyhow David had waited 7 months to have it done and installed. With thousands of dollars later, the engine came apart at 100 miles. David had bought our rotating assembly and paid another machine shop to do the build. Supposedly, the shop builds 800 HP Hondas and is supposed to be a premier race shop. I have seen a lot of butcher jobs come through my shop, but this one wins the BIG prize. Where do I start? I am posting this to bring to the attention of potential customers of NGM as to what people and other businesses will do in the quest for money. I put a lot of heart and soul in ALL of my products and build everything as if it was going in my own car. I can honestly tell you that I am the very best at what I do in Hyundai performance, at least the V6 stuff and soon to come I4. I have gained this confidence because of the desire that I have to be the very best at what I do and from you the customers of NGM. All of my customers have given me the confidence I have now, because of the many positive testamonials that I have received over the last 4-5 years. Anyhow, we are in the process of building a new engine for David so that it can be installed and finally enjoy the performance that the Assassin kit will deliver. I am posting pictures of the engine as I have taken it apart to document the issues for David.

First issue was using the wrong bolt in the timing belt tensioner to secure it to the block. They must have lost the original bolt that was the correct length and installed a much shorter bolt resulting in the bolt backing out and tearing up the timing belt which almost resulted in all bent valves in both heads.

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Second issue was cracking the corner of the oil pump that mates with the oil pan and using some sort of epoxy to fix it. Good place for a big leak.

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Stripped bolt hole #1

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Stripped #2

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Stripped #3

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Stripped #4

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Stripped #5

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Someone loves tubes of silicone. Silicone and O rings dont mix. The cross over tube from the water pump uses an Oring and just need a littl lubricant on the Oring to install into the water pump, not a tube of silicone.

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Home Depot bolts used without shoulders misaligning the cam caps.

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Cam caps put on backwards

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Mix matched caps. Intake cam caps on exhaust cams.

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None of the rod bearing oil clearances were checked or blueprinted. The bearing clearances were so tight that it started to rip bearing material away on all of the rod bearings.

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Oil scraper rings badly distorted possibley done during assembly. The scraper rings look like they were stretched causing them to fall out of their grooves when I removed the pistons.

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All main bearings trashed due to clearances not being checked or blueprinted resulting in all mains spun. The clearances were so tight that it turned the main caps purple and blue from extensive heat.

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Loving that silicone. The water pump gasket is a teflon coated metal gasket that requires no sealant what so ever. They used so much silicone on the gasket that it started to fill the water pump and cause blockage.

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Looks like they took careful measures here to make sure the file fit Total Seal rings were filed to the perfect gap for a boosted engine. WHAT GAP?????

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Im still trying to figure out what they bored and honed the cylinders with. A rat tile file? The cylinder finish still had a coarse hone pattern like stock for a cast ring, but these are chrome rings which need a totally different finish and pattern.

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As far as the mandatory balancing that is needed because of the heavier artillary being installed, there was NONE. Well I wont say nothing was done, I did see three rods that had a small amount of material taken from the big end, but nothing was done to the crank what so ever. There was no mallory (heavy metal) installed into the crank and no drilling what so ever.

This was the biggest mess of an engine assembly that I have ever seen. I just couldnt beleive my eyes. This company should not even be in business period!!!!!! It just makes me sick to my stomach to see this kind of stuff and it happens all the time out there.

I know sometimes those of you dont have the money at the time to buy an assembled short block or long block from me and choose the rotating assembly to have done by your local "Race Shop", but do you research. If there is any doubt, believe me, I will always give you a quality built product from NGM and a piece of mind knowing that it was done right the first time.

Thanks T.C.

I'm extremely frustrated with all this, i really dont know what to say about this situation. :badmood:

This sux.....

Wow... talk about a shit job :thumbsdown: How the hell does that shop build "800HP" Hondas?! I'm sorry about your situation, dude. That sucks...

:rip1: wana be block:no:

Alright,
There went my plans of purchasing the rotating assembly and having a local shop do the work. That just makes me nervous, and in the end, I'd rather pay more to ensure that I receive a quality product.

Sorry you're having to go through this bro. Almost no quality driven workers out there.

Man TC getting my motor is like a woman on christmas opening presents and getting a vacuum cleaner istead of the bling... just total disapointment

So are you going to go afte the shop for ****ty work?

Alright,
There went my plans of purchasing the rotating assembly and having a local shop do the work. That just makes me nervous, and in the end, I'd rather pay more to ensure that I receive a quality product.

Sorry you're having to go through this bro. Almost no quality driven workers out there.

I thought your car is as good as sold....


As for that work, it makes me question anyone who does anything to my car.

I thought your car is as good as sold....


As for that work, it makes me question anyone who does anything to my car.


If I can move it as a package it is sold. If not, I may just get a new motor and enjoy it for a while longer.

It just sucks to see something like this happen. You pay your hard earned money, and people give you crap in return. I really hope you take these a$$holes to court and get your $$$ back.

Good Luck Bro!

I'm extremely frustrated with all this, i really dont know what to say about this situation. :badmood:

That is unbelieveable! Reminds me of the hackers that installed my clutch and flywheel.(Stripped my tranny bolts, scratched my car, lost my engine cover, and the bottom of my tranny looks like it was dragged down a 1/4 mile) I hope you take legal action and get fully compensated. Good luck with everything, and atleast you can have peace of mind that TC is now doing the job.

:jawdrop: ....

Damn! David, sorry to hear/see all this crap. But TC will get you rollin again. Theres not a such thing as ''maybe'' with TC..

I surprised that engine lasted 100miles. God that was one of the worst horror stories I've seen. :SuN024:

If you guys coulda seen the look on my face when I started to peel it down, I was just mortified that there was a shop out by me that actually let this roll outta their shop and they called this done. I know when I called Dave to let him know about the massive damage that I was running into as I was pulling the motor I just couldnt help but think, he is just not gonna beleive this unless he comes down to actually see for himself .......Not only was the motor destroyed but the threads on the lower intake were all stripped, the bolt to hold the idler pully for the drive belt had a piece of silicone vacuum tubing on it to center the idler and they had glued the broken nipple back on to the bypass valve on the blower to hold the vacuum line in place. It was just heart wrenching to see what Dave thought to be his freinds had done to his car , But on a good note when TC gets his motor done for him and I get that bad boy .....That sumbitch will run like a raped ape when I'm through and it'll be a kick in the ass to drive again like it should be :icon_wink:

Thats just ridiculous.
I cant believe this man. How can a "performace" shop justify this crap job?

I say you take legal action, but thats my $.02

Damn it ... That is totally unbeleiveable .... and yeah compensation of some sort is needed man ... The pictures alone tell the story .... Sorry to hear about that man ... Really I am ..

Dave I hope you sue this guys and get your money back, TC just posted pictures and explained a good portion of what went wrong. You need to take those to a attorney

yeah thats just rediculous... silicone happy biatches

besides that, when the car was towed the header was hanging from the car...

...they used regular hoses for heater hoses, and they were completely kinked...

...they broke his bypass valve...

...they dented the valve cover from where they dropped the blower (where the bypass hit the valve cover)...

....they bent the bracket like 45 degrees that attaches to the back of the head to the blower...like they couldnt figure out that it wasn't pulling straight up, so they bent the damn thing...

..they didnt put the spring back in his passenger side strut in properly, nor did they tighten the strut itself down tight...VERY dangerous to be driving on...(which now that i think about it, why did they take it out in the first place?)...

...so many other things these ppl messed up on his car.

and they supposedly work on 'skylines' ....big whoop. i tell people all the time...just b/c a company works on a certain type of car, doesnt mean they know what they are doing with all types of cars. perfect example right here.

They said they built "800 HP Hondas" they didn't say how long they ran...lol...but seriously that sux.

wow i new i was taking a risk when i bought the rotating assy and had a local place install it for me, luckily everything has been ok so far, but i know it was balanced and i have the blueprint sheet for all the clearences. and in the end i might have saved a grand by goin that route but all i had him do was the bottom half, i put everything back together myself, wich is were most of my money was saved. but if i were to do it over agian, i would just go with the budget shortblock. because i dunno after u spend thousands of dollars on the engine i dont really want run to high of boost now cuz i dont want anything to break!

Hey David I live on the West side too, I'm down for Vigilante justice if you are..... seriously.

I would print all this out and send it to the bastard. Cept for my above post, that can be a secret. lol

That is just so disappointing to read, and see. Guys who bust their asses for their money and take their cars to a "performance" shop should not have to deal with that kind of shoddy workmanship, but like TC said.....it happens all the time.

That's the reason right there why (taking into account ALL of the needless expense you can save by having it done right the first time); it's better to just go with NGM if you can swing it; and sleep better at night.


I would personally take them to small claims court, no doubt about it, if it were me.

damn that engine looks terrible all around..........now of course ill have that worry in the back of mind all the time now being i had a shop hone my block and install my assembly....and with my luck prolly blow mine down the line as well....

TC are there ANY engines that werent built at your shop, but used your assemblies and actually LASTED?............and also was this the engine that came apart because of the OVER-TOURQED rod bearings?....or was it that timing belt tensioner bolt that snapped causing failure

damn that engine looks terrible all around..........now of course ill have that worry in the back of mind all the time now being i had a shop hone my block and install my assembly....and with my luck prolly blow mine down the line as well....

TC are there ANY engines that werent built at your shop, but used your assemblies and actually LASTED?............and also was this the engine that came apart because of the OVER-TOURQED rod bearings?....or was it that timing belt tensioner bolt that snapped causing failure

well, imho, it was massive catastrophic failure due to no clearancing/measureing/balancing/too much silicone/rubber bands/claymation/rust/.... well, you know what.... I could have built a better motor out of legos. I don't think these people know what bearings are to be honest...

FFF i had my block done at another shop, just used ngm rotating assy, it hasnt seen high boost only about 10, and has maybe 2000 miles on it, so far everything is alright....when u got ur block done did u get a blueprint sheet?

Brutal ....... Just Brutal.

FFF i had my block done at another shop, just used ngm rotating assy, it hasnt seen high boost only about 10, and has maybe 2000 miles on it, so far everything is alright....when u got ur block done did u get a blueprint sheet?

hey man thanx for that........no i did not get a blueprint sheet with mine but supposedly that has been done along with the balancing(which i saw with my own eyes.,the heavy metal/mallory that TC speaks of all over the rods and crank).....and they spoke to TC as well for the specs and procedures before anything....so im hoping it went well.......and my block took 7 months as well....but that was ONLY my LOWER block work, NOT the entire engine re-assembly

well, imho, it was massive catastrophic failure due to no clearancing/measureing/balancing/too much silicone/rubber bands/claymation/rust/.... well, you know what.... I could have built a better motor out of legos. I don't think these people know what bearings are to be honest...



yea ur definitly right man......alot of that ghetto rigging is OBVIOUS and theres absolutly NO excuse for....

....i was just more worried about the honing, rings and piston install failing on me one day......evrything from the lower and UP i rebuilt MYself to factory specs, using mostly new OEM hardware, no bolt stripping or ghetto rigging ANYWHERE, evrything tourqed to spec...

.....so its more the assembly down below that would worry me being that rotating assembly requires alot of DELICATE procedures for install....it isnt hardware u just hone for and throw right IN....just hopin my shop did the right thing thats all

I completely understand where you are coming from! I just had to take a motor back to the shop to have the ring gaps changed... caught that early thankfully. My shop is changing the gaps at my request free o charge, and they stand by their work, which is refreshing!

Everything else should be in order but def. if people want absolute piece of mind go with tc's block.

I completely understand where you are coming from! I just had to take a motor back to the shop to have the ring gaps changed... caught that early thankfully. My shop is changing the gaps at my request free o charge, and they stand by their work, which is refreshing!

Everything else should be in order but def. if people want absolute piece of mind go with tc's block.

is that something u caught before installing/starting?.....and u just took it back?........what exactly did u notice wrong about it that made u want to take it back...just curious

is that something u caught before installing/starting?.....and u just took it back?........what exactly did u notice wrong about it that made u want to take it back...just curious

well, my guy asked me a lot of things and we had to get info for clearancing etc, so I figure that's ok. then, he showed me the bobwieghts he made to balance the setup due to him not having ones for this app., so I figure that is ok. Then he said he had to send the crank out to have it polished etc, so anyways, when I saw the pics of dave's stuff I saw the one about the ring gaps, and realized that was the only thing he didn't ask me about and I hadn't given him any specs for. So I called him up and asked what he had gapped the rings to and they were not the same as tc's (close, but not the same) so before the block was touched (thankfully) I took it back to my guy and he'll make the necessary changes.

fortunately the motor hadn't been mated to the heads and I was able to save time and money on new hardware etc.

I sure hope all the money is returned and then a foot to @$$ meeting happen's! I am lucky enough to have trust worthy shops near me, but none still will touch my motor; all big block shops! You just have to know what you are doing to work on a certain motor, not all our the same.

I sure hope all the money is returned and then a foot to @$$ meeting happen's! I am lucky enough to have trust worthy shops near me, but none still will touch my motor; all big block shops! You just have to know what you are doing to work on a certain motor, not all our the same.at least your shops are willing to say no. and not try to make a quick buck and learn in the process. some people say they can do the work when they can't.

at least your shops are willing to say no. and not try to make a quick buck and learn in the process. some people say they can do the work when they can't.

I have one that says they can, but would def. want to talk to someone in the know! I am still a ways away from that, but sure hope to get there soon!